Talk:Janice Kent - Revision history

Ciago92: /* Rare Event */

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‎Rare Event

Ciago92: New Event for Janice

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New Event for Janice

Ividyon at 23:28, 15 March 2014

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Ividyon at 23:26, 15 March 2014

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Vio at 23:23, 15 March 2014

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Vio: /* Glory objective */

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‎Glory objective

Vio at 23:16, 15 March 2014

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Vio at 23:15, 15 March 2014

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Vio at 23:07, 15 March 2014

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Ividyon at 22:49, 15 March 2014

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−	On my (English server) ship I just came across the event where a mush character accidentally lets slip that they are mush. I see this verified in the French wiki but no mention of it here, so I wanted to bring it up to be included. I don't know much beyond the character says something to the effect of "My life was okay until the mush entered it". I'm not sure if this should go with Janice or the Shrink skill. Link to relevant french page http://www.twinpedia.com/mush/competences/humains look for Psy	+	On my (English server) ship I just came across the event where a mush character accidentally lets slip that they are mush. I see this verified in the French wiki but no mention of it here, so I wanted to bring it up to be included. I don't know much beyond the character says something to the effect of "My life was okay until the mush entered it". I'm not sure if this should go with Janice or the Shrink skill. Link to relevant french page http://www.twinpedia.com/mush/competences/humains look for Psy [[User:Ciago92\|Ciago92]] ([[User talk:Ciago92\|talk]]) 16:27, 24 March 2015 (MDT)

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	::::::There is a difference between bugs, imbalances and lore discrepancies, and it's fairly important to keep the distinction between them clear. I've edited the sentence in a way that should bring your intended message across without causing misunderstandings. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 17:26, 15 March 2014 (MDT)		::::::There is a difference between bugs, imbalances and lore discrepancies, and it's fairly important to keep the distinction between them clear. I've edited the sentence in a way that should bring your intended message across without causing misunderstandings. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 17:26, 15 March 2014 (MDT)
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		+	On my (English server) ship I just came across the event where a mush character accidentally lets slip that they are mush. I see this verified in the French wiki but no mention of it here, so I wanted to bring it up to be included. I don't know much beyond the character says something to the effect of "My life was okay until the mush entered it". I'm not sure if this should go with Janice or the Shrink skill. Link to relevant french page http://www.twinpedia.com/mush/competences/humains look for Psy

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	:::::And whether you call it "bug" or "relic", a "design flaw", an "oversight" or whatver - the main message is that it's out of proportion. And though Janice players may not like reading it, that is simply a fact. - [[User:Vio\|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio\|talk]]) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (MDT)		:::::And whether you call it "bug" or "relic", a "design flaw", an "oversight" or whatver - the main message is that it's out of proportion. And though Janice players may not like reading it, that is simply a fact. - [[User:Vio\|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio\|talk]]) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (MDT)

−	::::::There is a difference between bugs, imbalances and lore discrepancies, and it's fairly important to keep the distinction between them clear. I've edited the sentence in a way that should bring ~~the~~ message across without causing misunderstandings. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 17:26, 15 March 2014 (MDT)	+	::::::There is a difference between bugs, imbalances and lore discrepancies, and it's fairly important to keep the distinction between them clear. I've edited the sentence in a way that should bring your intended message across without causing misunderstandings. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 17:26, 15 March 2014 (MDT)

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	:::::As you agree, it is a blatant flaw, if you prefer that term, no matter how it came to pass. One that can happen (you have no idea how chaotic such things can be with several people working on it, epsecially on a budget), but should not knowingly be left in a game which at the same time presents glory as something meaningful and shows obvious attempts of trying to create balance in such things.		:::::As you agree, it is a blatant flaw, if you prefer that term, no matter how it came to pass. One that can happen (you have no idea how chaotic such things can be with several people working on it, epsecially on a budget), but should not knowingly be left in a game which at the same time presents glory as something meaningful and shows obvious attempts of trying to create balance in such things.
	:::::And whether you call it "bug" or "relic", a "design flaw", an "oversight" or whatver - the main message is that it's out of proportion. And though Janice players may not like reading it, that is simply a fact. - [[User:Vio\|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio\|talk]]) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (MDT)		:::::And whether you call it "bug" or "relic", a "design flaw", an "oversight" or whatver - the main message is that it's out of proportion. And though Janice players may not like reading it, that is simply a fact. - [[User:Vio\|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio\|talk]]) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (MDT)
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		+	::::::There is a difference between bugs, imbalances and lore discrepancies, and it's fairly important to keep the distinction between them clear. I've edited the sentence in a way that should bring the message across without causing misunderstandings. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 17:26, 15 March 2014 (MDT)

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 ::::That's also why I understand spacey's notion to remove that paragraph, although it may have been rushed a little; there is simply no evidence or, in fact, any logical reason to cite Janice's glory objective as buggy. I hope my explanation clarifies this; if not, please feel free to respond. — [[Image:Kuanti.png|link=User:Ividyon|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2014 (MDT)
-:::::As stated in my very first sentence, it may well have been designed like that at some point. The "alien check" obviously was, and I never said it was "random". Nor am I inclined to discuss semantics.
+:::::As stated in my ''very first sentence'', it may well have been designed like that at some point. The "alien check" obviously was, and I never said it was "random". Nor am I inclined to discuss semantics.
 :::::As you agree, it is a blatant flaw, if you prefer that term, no matter how it came to pass. One that can happen (you have no idea how chaotic such things can be with several people working on it, epsecially on a budget), but should not knowingly be left in a game which at the same time presents glory as something meaningful and shows obvious attempts of trying to create balance in such things.
-:::::And whether you call it "bug" or "design flaw", an "oversight" or whatver - the main message is that it's out of proportion. And though Janice players may not like reading it, that is simply a fact. - [[User:Vio|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio|talk]]) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (MDT)
+:::::And whether you call it "bug" or "relic", a "design flaw", an "oversight" or whatver - the main message is that it's out of proportion. And though Janice players may not like reading it, that is simply a fact. - [[User:Vio|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio|talk]]) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (MDT)

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	::::That's also why I understand spacey's notion to remove that paragraph, although it may have been rushed a little; there is simply no evidence or, in fact, any logical reason to cite Janice's glory objective as buggy. I hope my explanation clarifies this; if not, please feel free to respond. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2014 (MDT)		::::That's also why I understand spacey's notion to remove that paragraph, although it may have been rushed a little; there is simply no evidence or, in fact, any logical reason to cite Janice's glory objective as buggy. I hope my explanation clarifies this; if not, please feel free to respond. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2014 (MDT)
−	:::::As stated in my very first sentence, it may well have been designed like that at some point. The "alien check" obviously was, and I never said it was "random". Nor am I inclined to discuss semantics. ~~Yet as~~ you agree it is a blatant flaw, if you prefer that term, no matter how it came to pass. One that can happen (you have no idea how chaotic such things can be with several people working on it, epsecially on a budget), but should not knowingly be left in a game which at the same time shows obvious attempts of trying to create a balance in such things. - [[User:Vio\|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio\|talk]]) 17:07, 15 March 2014 (MDT)	+
		+	:::::As stated in my very first sentence, it may well have been designed like that at some point. The "alien check" obviously was, and I never said it was "random". Nor am I inclined to discuss semantics. As you agree, it is a blatant flaw, if you prefer that term, no matter how it came to pass. One that can happen (you have no idea how chaotic such things can be with several people working on it, epsecially on a budget), but should not knowingly be left in a game which at the same time shows obvious attempts of trying to create a balance in such things.
		+	And whether you call it "bug" or "design flaw", an "oversight" or whatver - the main message is that it's out of proportion. And though Janice players may not like reading it, that is simply a fact. - [[User:Vio\|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio\|talk]]) 17:15, 15 March 2014 (MDT)

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	::::That's also why I understand spacey's notion to remove that paragraph, although it may have been rushed a little; there is simply no evidence or, in fact, any logical reason to cite Janice's glory objective as buggy. I hope my explanation clarifies this; if not, please feel free to respond. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2014 (MDT)		::::That's also why I understand spacey's notion to remove that paragraph, although it may have been rushed a little; there is simply no evidence or, in fact, any logical reason to cite Janice's glory objective as buggy. I hope my explanation clarifies this; if not, please feel free to respond. — [[Image:Kuanti.png\|link=User:Ividyon\|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon\|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon\|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2014 (MDT)
		+	:::::As stated in my very first sentence, it may well have been designed like that at some point. The "alien check" obviously was, and I never said it was "random". Nor am I inclined to discuss semantics. Yet as you agree it is a blatant flaw, if you prefer that term, no matter how it came to pass. One that can happen (you have no idea how chaotic such things can be with several people working on it, epsecially on a budget), but should not knowingly be left in a game which at the same time shows obvious attempts of trying to create a balance in such things. - [[User:Vio\|Vio]] ([[User talk:Vio\|talk]]) 17:07, 15 March 2014 (MDT)

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 ::::You have mentioned that you "know a thing or two about game design". Now, after having said that, how can you ''seriously'' claim this is a 'bug', if, during the development cycle, it would require '''exact''' and '''deliberate''' code input by ''Motion-Twin'' to make {{Character|Janice}} receive {{Glory}} from all '''specific''' expedition results which involve the meeting of alien life in their ''flavor text'' (something not connected to any game mechanics)? Are you suggesting that someone at MT accidentally mashed their keyboard so hard it suddenly inserted the exact code for a check of all these specific alien-related events when implementing Janice's glory bonus? :)
-::::To clarify the deliberate nature of her {{Glory}} gains; ''Mush'' expeditions are split up in [[Zones]] and [[Events]]. A '''zone''' is a collection of 4 '''events'''. Now, you may look at other characters' skills and {{Glory}} objectives, and you will see that some of them are inherently connected to specific types of zones and/or events (in {{Character|Stephen}}'s case, the '''[[Events#Fight|Fight]]''' event). In {{Character|Janice}}'s case, however, this is a lot different; since her objective states she will gain glory from meeting '''alien life''', special code has to be implemented in order to fulfill the objective any time something related to alien life happens, no matter where. As you well know, Janice gains {{Glory}} at occasions which are '''not''' inherently bound to specific zone/event types, such as '''Caverns - Accident''' (''Jumping to avoid a passing '''alien scorpion''', [character] split their head open on a stalactite.'') or '''Insects - Illness''' (''Suddenly [character] starts screaming, and a huge glowing '''spider''' shoots out of their suit. NOBODY wants spiders scuttling around their suit!''). If this were to be the results of a bug, it would be an incredibly unlikely and entirely unrealistic one, something akin to a room of monkeys with typewriters accidentally stumbling upon Shakespeare's collected works.
+::::To clarify the deliberate nature of her {{Glory}} gains; ''Mush'' expeditions are split up in [[Zones]] and [[Events]]. A '''zone''' is a collection of 4 '''events'''. Now, you may look at other characters' skills and {{Glory}} objectives, and you will see that some of them are inherently connected to specific types of zones and/or events (in {{Character|Stephen}}'s case, the '''[[Events#Fight|Fight]]''' event). In {{Character|Janice}}'s case, however, this is a lot different; since her objective states she will gain glory from meeting '''alien life''', special code has to be implemented in order to fulfill the objective any time something related to alien life happens, no matter where. As you well know, Janice gains {{Glory}} at occasions which are '''not''' inherently bound to specific zone/event types, such as '''Caverns - Accident''' (''Jumping to avoid a passing '''alien scorpion''', [character] split their head open on a stalactite.'') or '''Insects - Illness''' (''Suddenly [character] starts screaming, and a huge glowing '''spider''' shoots out of their suit. NOBODY wants spiders scuttling around their suit!''). This means that the developers had to '''specifically''' add Janice {{Glory}} checks for any specific combination of zone & event which includes flavor text that speaks of alien encounters. If this were to be the results of a bug, it would be an incredibly unlikely and entirely unrealistic one, something akin to a room of monkeys with typewriters accidentally stumbling upon Shakespeare's collected works.
 ::::That is my main concern with your edit. By the nature of the {{Glory}} requirements alone, it becomes clearly apparent that it is '''not''' a bug. You are absolutely right about the fact that it doesn't make any sense when viewed in connection to her part-time ethnology and diplomacy studies, and that it's likely overpowered as hell, but... that's ''Mush'' for you. And, again, disregarding lore flavor, there is no mention of '''intelligent''' life being Janice's {{Glory}} requirement anywhere in the game text. I had assumed that my changes to your edit would be sufficient to explain this and point out the silliness behind it all, so I'm not sure why you had to return to the claims of it being a "bug".
 ::::That's also why I understand spacey's notion to remove that paragraph, although it may have been rushed a little; there is simply no evidence or, in fact, any logical reason to cite Janice's glory objective as buggy. I hope my explanation clarifies this; if not, please feel free to respond. — [[Image:Kuanti.png|link=User:Ividyon|Designer]] [[User:Ividyon|<span style="color:#d47c2b; font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 0px #000;">ividyon</span>]] ([[User talk:Ividyon|talk]]) 16:39, 15 March 2014 (MDT)